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: : : : Do you folks in Texas, Hawaii, Florida, Alaska, etc. think you will bring about independence without the support of willing, visible force!?!? : : : : Please cite a single instance in world history that illustrates the acquisition of freedom, independence, or individual rights without the prolonged use of force... : : : : Get your support in place IN ADVANCE before trying this. Otherwise, you are simply supplying the Establishment Powers with another victory. : : : : R.A. MANN : : : Mr Mann. : : : What use is fighting a war if the people fighting : : : don't have a better replacement for what they are : : : trying to overthrow. : : : Tim : : T.B.: : : In case you haven't noticed, the idea is to return to a limited Constitutional Republic!! At one point, the Federal Government actually served the people! Hard to believe, isn't it... in any case, we have to turn this group of arrogant legislators out to pasture (one way or another) and CHAIN DOWN the next batch with the limits prescribed by our fore-fathers. Our way of life, our freedoms, our posterity, and our honor all depend on the actions of a few good people. To be aware of the problems and do nothing... well, I won't comment on those that take that position. What do you think!?? : Why is it that people forget what its all about, a return to the constitutional government.. : Or is it an excuse to do nothing and sit back letting others take those first steps? : Nothing in this life worth anything is given to you, much less your freedom. Read what the : founding fathers sacrificed. Were they guaranteed everything would be just fine? Or did they : take it upon themselves to make it so? Has our will been so subverted that we are convinced : there is no hope? I sincerely hope not.

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